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23 July 2011 @ 09:56 pm
Writer's Block: Life imitating art  
Which movie or book character are you most like, and why?

Gellert Grindelwald and Albus Dumbledore. - Harry Potter series
Erik Lehnsherr. - X-Men
L - Death Note (truest INTP if there ever was one)
Light - Death Note
Also been told I remind people of Snape, Professor Moriarty & Sherlock Holmes, Mr. Darcy. - HP, Sherlock Holmes, Pride and Prejudice

(people who know me know why, if any of you want to hear explanations post a comment to this entry and I will enlighten you)
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Ruth: P & P ~ Mr. Darcyrvillarrubia on July 24th, 2011 12:16 am (UTC)
Emilyhumoresques on July 24th, 2011 12:53 am (UTC)
I get those characters too!
Yvette: Finnunlikeothers on July 24th, 2011 03:09 pm (UTC)
Gellert and Albus. When I think of them I ALWAYS think of you ♥

Death Note always sounds really cool. Is it good enough to watch? Then I could tell you if people are right saying that you're like those characters ;)
Viktorija: snape// sparkling eyeprincessbloomy on July 24th, 2011 03:15 pm (UTC)
Awww. ♥

It's amazing, I find it really interesting and it complete pulls you in. I love the characters, especially Light and L, and I'm kind of cheering for both of them.
I'm really torn between them, but the show as a whole is amazing and I definitely recommend it to you.
Then I'd have someone to talk about them with and someone who would tell me if they fit haha. XD

Yvette: Fireworkunlikeothers on July 24th, 2011 04:07 pm (UTC)

I've got two shows to start watching now. I'm going to start tomorrow. It's better now I have all day free, I can watch for as long as I want!
Viktorija: snape// sparkling eyeprincessbloomy on July 24th, 2011 06:02 pm (UTC)
Can't wait to hear what you think about it! :D
Adonniel: redcapeadonniel on July 26th, 2011 02:54 am (UTC)
They DO fit you, funnily enough both of them. And I loved the show too, and was torn between the two characters as well. I'm leaning closer to Light Yagami for you, however, but you already know that I see you more as INTJ than as INTPl
Viktorija: snape// sparkling eyeprincessbloomy on July 29th, 2011 08:03 am (UTC)
I've actually watched a bit more and am now quite convinced Light is an ENTJ, he's far too outspoken and impulsive for an INTJ, especially when working with L.
I do relate to him somewhat, but as the show progresses I actually can't find many similarities anymore.
He's a bit of a sociopath and psychopathic at times.
He goes have a fascinating mind and thinks things through, but I can't relate to him more than that anymore.
Also, he seems to be rather popular, which is possible for an INTJ, but far more likely with an ENTJ.
I still have 10 more episodes to see, but I think Near is an INTJ, "if you can't solve the puzzle you're just a loser" - loved that line.
I actually think I might relate most to Near, but I'll see.

I also developed a little crush on L, too bad he died, but I did see it coming. Just thought he'd be around a bit longer. >.>

You know what I find funny, on some pages I'm an INTP and on others I constantly get INTJ (and with J around 70%).
I suppose it depends on how the questions are set.
I often feel more like an INTP and act like one with closest friends, but to strangers I think I appear to be more like an INTJ.
I wouldn't really solve the puzzle just because I like to, I'd also see what I can get out of it, if it will help in my future somewhat.
But INTJ's are more traditional and dislike change (which I love), they don't adapt as easily as INTP's do.

While on that, I was thinking ... and I think Albus was a bit more of an INTx than INFJ. He seemed to be interested in solving "the HP case" just for the sake of solving sometimes.
But he was in the end working forward his own plan, he planned on achieving something.
Other than that he isn't really set in his ways, he isn't very traditional, so I'm thinking he was more of an INTP.
Also add his love of sweets, his a little eccentric attitude and likes, his wit and playfulness.
I always thought Albus was an INFJ because of his way of dealing with people, but I suppose an INTP could just as easily understand the motives and do the same.
Especially an old and wise INTP who has been through a lot like Albus.
But then again, an INTP wouldn't impulsively and without thinking put on the ring just for the sake of seeing loved ones. An INTP would think.
Albus was governed by feelings then, so ... what do you think?
I really want to hear your opinion on this matter.

Can I somehow have your email or something, in case LJ is down again and I have to tell you things. XD
Like this incident for example. I tried to post a comment three times and had to re-write the whole thing again in Word and save it, because LJ wouldn't let me post.
I was going mad. When I have some things on my mind I have to tell them and EFJABFASBFD I COULDN'T. >.>

Just look at all that I have written. *shakes head at self*
Adonniel: grey angeladonniel on July 29th, 2011 04:31 pm (UTC)
*smacks self for the lack of precision* haha I was busy comparing J to P and completely forgot other 3 letters in front of it. Yes, agreeing with E over I!

I think it would be better if I get away from Mayer Briggs for a moment.

Some people, Dumbledore and Light included, have a certain vibe about them. They have the nerve (and ability to do it competently – and I admit even a marginal right) to interfere with the bigger world events vs focusing only on their own existence. Mind you, it’s not just about wanting, but also being able to. At times, I am detecting the same vibe in you. You have the want to influence things and have them run closer to your vision of what is right or at least to chaotically disturb an already existing order to point out its faults as a joke. L doesn’t have it in him. He might be dealing with the world-safety, but he seeks to maintain an existing order, trusting the world to run its own modifications over time. He would deem it too dangerous to alter it, especially alter is radically. Obviously, you know yourself better, but I think if Albus, Light or you were given (a potentially dangerous to use) an ace up your sleeve, you would see it as a waste not to play it, although you wouldn’t use it lightly. L might be tempted strongly to destroy it or to hide it in case it is needed later. This is why I am seeing slightly more Light than L in you. If there was a straight line between the two and a choice where to place you on that line, I’d pull the cursor a bit closer to Light, 60:40 ratio. However, I would expect you to identify less and less with Light because your sense of loyalty is far more advanced (Actually, he doesn’t have any. Also, Slytherins are sensitive to the self-serving vs selfish line. Absorbed in himself. Has no appreciation for kindness.) and of course he crosses a line too far, which is interesting to observe but not to do the same.

I do believe L also likes sweets. =)

I have doubts that Dumbledore is either INTP or INFJ. There is a similarity, but my intuition is protesting something which my logic has not caught up to yet. Something about a missing interest in leadership that both of those types have. Temporarily ceasing power vs holding it long-term – but a declined post as a Minister, guilt or something else, or pragmatism for better headquarters? No, unconvinced by that rejection. He likes leadership. I think I need to read about more types before being certain, but I am currently too lazy to do it.

As an INTP I would be 70% tempted to stab that ring dead in the face the second I got a hold of it and 30% out of caution that Voldy might notice something would have been tempted to hide it until I’ve gathered all the Horcruxes to dispose of them all at once. Putting on the ring would not have been an option. A weapon forged by your enemy and clearly loyal to your enemy will betray you and must not be used. I would deem it dangerous enough to take an immediate and irrevocable action with it, although I dislike irrevocable actions. But I’m sure Dumbledore would have countered this with the words relating to fear and not being stopped by it.

He might have been guided by a combination of two things. a) He saw the ring potentially as means to find another weakness in Voldemort, and for the greater good he was willing to risk himself to find it. Although, he hoped that he was talented enough to control it. Harry is a Horcrux who has access into Voldemort’s mind. Would wearing a Horcrux grant him an access there too? Voldy’s reaction if Albus suddenly gained an access into his mind is fun to imagine, providing he noticed. How long would it have taken Albus to pull all locations of the remaining Horcruxes out of Voldy’s mind? b) Life teachers us how to curb and modify our behaviour, but our basic personality traits remain. Dumbledore’s ambition and desire to have rare power under his control had not disappeared, although his experience with Grindelwald had taught him a lot. He was tempted by the ring. I vaguely remember that he had admitted to such somewhere in the books – not 100% sure on this one, maybe my memory is playing a trick on me.
Viktorija: snape// sparkling eyeprincessbloomy on July 29th, 2011 08:06 pm (UTC)
That's very true what you say about L.
I think L is mostly doing it for the riddles and puzzles, to quote Sherlock Holmes "he gets off on it".
L does have certain principles yes, by which he works. They might not all be morally correct, but he does everything to solve the riddle in my opinion. It's what pushes him on. He's in it for the game mostly.

That's true though, I would definitely use it when I saw the need for it, maybe not right away and would save it for later, but in the right circumstances I'd use it to achieve what I want.

Albus and L both love sweets. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

So you consider Albus more of an INTJ?
I do suppose he was one when he was young. The letter to Gellert has INTJ written all over it.
To quote Plato -> no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.
I think this explains INTJ's well. Not saying Albus was a tyrant, but he could easily have turned into one.

Albus loves leadership, he has to have things under control, I'm totally there with you.
There are also many faces of INFJ's.
I haven't really researched it well myself, but if it helps:

I actually looked it up on wiki, because I remember that he put it on his finger because of Ariana.
It said this: His desire to see his family overrode his common sense for just a moment and he placed the ring on his finger, forgetting that the ring had been cursed by Voldemort. The curse quickly spread, and were it not for his own prodigious talents, he would have died within moments.

That's more of an INxJ thing to do. The fact that it overrode his common sense makes me think INTJ. They too have different weaknesses and might often make silly mistakes such as that (which in the end cause their downfall - Snape as another example).
His family always meant a lot to him, and I think he was working out of feelings here. He was overwhelmed that he might see Ariana again for just a brief second or so ... and he put on the ring, probably out of sorrow, a need for forgiveness etc.
It must have been bothering him for many years and to think that he might finally get what he has been hoping for all those years made him act impulsively.
Of course he regretted it the second the ring was on his finger, but the damage was done.

I am not so sure he'd be so careless to put on the ring without thinking if he was interested in its power. He'd investigate before and see how he could use it best.
Albus was always interested in power, but not the dark kind. He feared to get close to it.
But he did forget about the fact that it was a horcrux now, he was only interested in the stone. For his family, for forgiveness in my opinion.
I always thought that he felt really guilty because he neglected Ariana, and I think when he was younger he promised his parents that he'd look after his brother and sister, so he let himself down on that and never forgave himself for it.
Again I think INTJ because of that.
Aaaand the parts when he is cruel and a little ruthless too ... I don't really see an INTP getting so mean with others unless it puts their plans in danger.
Adonniel: grey angeladonniel on July 29th, 2011 09:38 pm (UTC)
I forgot that part. He really did have a lot of emotional attachment to people. I sure he suffered a lot of guilt and took full responsibility and beat up himself over it.

ENFJ, INFJ, ENFP and INTJ are probably worth looking into. I wish we could make Dumbledore take the test. =P



Edit: You COULD take the test and consider every question from his perspective. Answer like he would and see what comes up.

Edit: It would make sense that he is a feeler not a thinker, who however gathered enough wisdom to activate his brain before following his feelings.

Edited at 2011-07-29 10:04 pm (UTC)
Viktorija: dh//  my equalprincessbloomy on July 29th, 2011 10:22 pm (UTC)
Those two also seem to be really good choices.
Never thought of him as an extrovert though, he seems warm and approachable, but he's also very private and secretive as a person.

If Albus could be able to take the quiz, he most likely wouldn't be taking it ... *cough* -> Funny sentence is funny.

Haha why me?
Why wouldn't you take the test too? :P

I don't think he was a feeler when he was younger though. So maybe it was a thinker who was whipped a bit in youth and learned to sympathize with people more because he felt it all at a young age and it left a mark on him?
So he actually felt people's agony in later days - hence a tear or two from time to time.

Okay so ... I'm doing to be doing more of these tests, it's late here and I should get to bed.
I will also skim through the books a bit and try to analyze his behaviour and the things he says.
I tried my best to answer the way I think he would and got INTJ.

moderately expressed introvert
distinctively expressed intuitive personality
moderately expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed judging personality
Viktorija: lk// hyena ed lmaoprincessbloomy on July 29th, 2011 10:24 pm (UTC)
*going to be doing

I obviously can't type anymore. Must get some sleep. :P
Adonniel: fireadonniel on July 29th, 2011 10:33 pm (UTC)
Ahahah, yes he so wouldn't!

Good night.

I'll be taking the test on Norrington's behalf meanwhile. You smell more like Albus than I do, so it should be easier for you to figure what he's been thinking.
Viktorijaprincessbloomy on July 30th, 2011 08:37 am (UTC)

What did you get for Norrington? :D

I'm so excited to make this my new project. *twirls*
One more thing, I thought of when I woke up.
So Albus is warm and approachable, but so am I and I'm an introvert too.
Actually someone told me that I'm dark introverted yet cheerful an bubbly at the same time.
It's true, yet I'm an INTJ you say. :P
And Albus was a bit like Nietzsche too, who was an INTJ. When he was young he could somehow control his peers just by looking at them. You know, if they said a bad word or something he'd glare a little and they'd correct themselves or something like that.
And both Nietzsche and Albus seem to have a deep understanding of human nature.
*is comparing N to A now*
Viktorija: snape// sparkling eyeprincessbloomy on July 30th, 2011 08:57 am (UTC)
Oh yeah. And Nietzsche also loved sweets, mostly pastry. :P
I'm sensing a pattern here. :P

Similar minds tests;

Word test result: INTJ
(N and S were fairly close)
(P and J were fairly close)

Personality test result;

Introverted (I) 60% Extroverted (E) 40%
Intuitive (N) 58.7% Sensing (S) 41.3%
Thinking (T) 57.14% Feeling (F) 42.86%
Judging (J) 61.76% Perceiving (P) 38.24%

I seem to only be getting INTJ, but that's just how I see him and base my answers on how I think he'd answer. I am not sure it's accurate enough, I'll look into the books a bit more and try again.
Adonniel: norringtonadonniel on July 30th, 2011 12:58 pm (UTC)
Fresh comment due to it thinning out too much.

I think there is a stereotype at play that Introverts are anti-social - which implies that they cannot communicate efficiently with their peers. In fact, it doesn't prevent them from being cheerful, or even being leaders. Due to my current research I've learned that ISTJs are better leaders than many other types with E.

So this is what I got for Norrington. I think it was a successful experiment.

According to my test results he is ESTJ.

The Guardian category seems to be the best place for him. This category has 4 types: ISFJ, ESFJ, ISTJ, ESTJ.

ISFJ – Protectors (Guardian)

Rejected on:

ISFJs make pleasant and reliable co-workers and exemplary employees, but tend to be harried and uncomfortable in supervisory roles.

(However, like most Fs they hate confrontation; if you get into a fight, don't expect them to jump in after you. You can count on them, however, run and get the nearest authority figure.)

James IS the authority figure.

ESFJ – Providers (Guardian)

NO. He isn’t your friendly neighbour.

Providers love to entertain, and are always concerned about the needs of their guests, wanting to make sure that all are involved and provided for.

Friendly, outgoing, neighborly - in a word, Providers are gregarious…

Judging by this, he isn't much of a Feeler.

He is a THINKER! That pleases me.

ESTJ – has potential

ISTJ – has potential

Certain on J over P
Confident on T over F

Checked ENTJ – Fieldmarshal (Rational), testing N vs S.

They share a number of his qualities. However, emotions are very much a part of it when he frees Elizabeth. He cares too much about people to be in the rational category 'by remebering that I serve others'.

Also, ENTJ are too creative and operating in the 'weird plane' for him. James sceptical about the compass' usefullness even when Elizabeth leads them to Davy Jones' heart. In contrast, I think ENTJ would have taken a great interest in the compass and tried to figure out how it ticks.

For the Fieldmarshal, there must always be a goal-directed reason for doing anything, and people's feelings usually are not sufficient reason. They prefer decisions to be based on impersonal data...

Confident on S over N.

I’m still digging around about ESTJ (65%) and ISTJ (35%) – the description of either explains 100% percent why Norrington doesn’t like Jack Sparrow.

One line in particular tickled me.

Much of their evaluation of persons and activities reflects their strong sense of what is "normal" and what isn't. ESTJ humor is frequently centered around something or someone being off center or behaving abnormally.

Edited at 2011-07-30 03:48 pm (UTC)
Viktorija: dn// light and lprincessbloomy on August 1st, 2011 01:52 pm (UTC)
I think that Introverted people usually make better leaders because they are more careful and think about things (introspect) before making decisions.

That's interesting. I agree with you here for the most part and I think he's a bit more of an extrovert, I didn't really get an introvert vibe from him.
I think ESTJ would fit him well.

Adonniel: quilladonniel on July 30th, 2011 03:14 pm (UTC)
This is what I got by taking the test for Albus.


E - 33%
N - 88%
T - 1%
J - 6%
Viktorija: dn// light and lprincessbloomy on August 1st, 2011 02:05 pm (UTC)
So interesting. :D

I don't know about E.
I looked up a bit more and while some things fit him well as an ENTJ, others really don't.
- Tendency to have difficulty listening to others
- Not naturally in tune with people's feelings and reactions
- Tendency to make hasty decisions
- ENTJs make aggressive, enthusiastic partners (Albus isn't aggressive.)
- They have no patience with people who have very different lifestyles and perspectives from their own.

This might describe the younger Albus a bit more. :P

ENTJ's are like Fidel Castro for example. It's close to Albus, but they might be too intense. I always got a more serene and calm vibe, with an inner trickery from Albus.
Or since I'm reading Jane Eyre, Rochester is an ENTJ and while they are sneaky and very intelligent, good with people and usually desired company, they are too fiery at times and not patient enough.
Adonniel: danteadonniel on August 1st, 2011 04:12 pm (UTC)
I cannot be trusted with making I vs E calls. I tend to score 78-89% introversion. (The only introvestion question that I'm hating on are the solitary walks one.) Therefore, to me an introvert that comes within 15% of an extravert might seem like an extravert.

But I agree that intuitively both of these categories have a certain feel to them that makes me think more about an introvert for Albus, although some things he does rationally look very much like an extravert camp. This is a thing about Thinkers however, that logical function overlaps with their emotional side. They project what they are willing to share with great confidence, but that's also a diversion for their feelings that they keep secret.
Viktorija: wolf// sharp smoochprincessbloomy on August 1st, 2011 05:37 pm (UTC)
You got me questioning his I & E now. :P
Extroversion Introversion
social \ private
expressive \ quiet (????)
many \ few (?????)
broad \ deep
interaction \ concentration
outward \ inward (?????)
action before thought \ thought before action

I am seen as “outgoing” or as a “people person.” -> A BIT.
I feel comfortable in groups and like working in them. -> YES (he was a teacher after all)
I have a wide range of friends and know lots of people. -> YES
I sometimes jump too quickly into an activity and don’t allow enough time to think it over. -> NO.
Before I start a project, I sometimes forget to stop and get clear on what I want to do and why. -> NO? YES? ... MAYBE? :P

I’m excited when I’m around people and I like to energize other people. - I don't think he likes this a lot.

I generally feel at home in the world. I often understand a problem better when I can talk out loud about it and hear what others have to say. - More no than yes.

I am seen as “reflective” or “reserved.” -> YES.
I feel comfortable being alone and like things I can do on my own. -> I SUPPOSE HE DOES.
I prefer to know just a few people well. -> YES, BUT HE HAS A LOT OF AQUAINTANCES.
I sometimes spend too much time reflecting and don’t move into action quickly enough. -> TRUE AS-WELL.
I sometimes forget to check with the outside world to see if my ideas really fit the experience. -> NO? ... HE DOES CHECK, BUT DOESN'T GO INTO IT.

I like getting my energy from dealing with the ideas, pictures, memories, and reactions that are inside my head - he gets very enthusiastic when talking about horcruxes and how he thinks Voldemort hid them and where he hid them, how many there are ...
I often prefer doing things alone or with one or two people I feel comfortable with. - Depends on what he's doing. Mostly yes.
I take time to reflect so that I have a clear idea of what I’ll be doing when I decide to act.
Sometimes I like the idea of something better than the real thing.

I think this fits.

All this and I still can't decide. I'm edging more towards I, but I might just be biased.
He does seem a bit more I than E, but he also seems to be rather popular and well-liked in society. But that might just come from the fact that he's so powerful and well-known.
Wish we could ask him.
*knocks on door*
Me: Professor Dumbledore, do you see yourself more than an I. or E.?
Albus: *answers*
Me: Thank you. *leaves*
Albus: *puzzled look*
In real-Hogwarts life he wouldn't have time for such nonsense. Oooor if he didn't have a lot on his mind he'd find it intriguing.

Do you think it's possible to meet Rowling on a street and ask her whether she thinks Albus is I or E? ... I probably have a snowball's chance in hell. XD

I just love writing into oblivion don't I? Even though most doesn't make any sense and I'm kind of talking with my inner Dumbledore. XD
Adonniel: fireadonniel on August 2nd, 2011 01:41 pm (UTC)
I went digging around and found the following statement regarding the behaviour of E vs I. (This is Wiki)

According to one study, extraverts tend to wear more decorative clothing, whereas introverts prefer practical, comfortable clothes. Extraverts are likely to prefer more upbeat, conventional, and energetic music than introverts. Personality also influences how people arrange their work areas. In general, extraverts decorate their offices more, keep their doors open, keep extra chairs nearby, and are more likely to put dishes of candy on their desks. These are attempts to invite co-workers and encourage interaction. Introverts, in contrast, decorate less and tend to arrange their workspace to discourage social interaction.